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When a student is consistently challenging policies that are enforced by the Code of Conduct found within the catalog, is it because they are leeking an easy road or that they just have authoritative issues?
Must student don't like to follow rules and regulation.As an admission representive you must educated the student that in the real world there are rules you must follow to be successful.
It could be the way they were brought up at home or they could be seeking attention. Maybe both.
I agree with this statement. I feel as though some of our students believe they are entitled to doing what they want not following rules and regulations while others are attention seeking. Is this because they are paying or is learned behavior?
i think when you have the same student constantly challenging a code of conduct or catalog policy they may want attention or have personal issues.
Allow me to interject that some students simply do not have the social skills required to follow the rules. I know this comment will spark some disagreement; however I have had and have students that come from areas that require this behavior to survive. In some inner cities the act of disobedience is a measure of "how much of a man you are". I found that these individuals just need a simple "come to Jesus" discussion and reminder that they are in a different environment so as to get away from all that. But this is just a trade’s point of view.
I agree with Thomas. Many times when we have these challanges that is the case. Sometimes enrollment could be a second chance for a "Resistor".
I think your reasoning is very sound. Sometimes students are like our kids. They might need special attention or they may not have ever been held accountable before by parents, school and even law enforcement. Disruptive students should be dealt with on an individual basis. However, they must be held accountable for their actions even if they have never been before.
I think when the same student is consistently challenging a code of conduct or catalog policy, he/she may be seeking attention.
Great discussions on this topic! Missy - your points are well stated. If studentscan learn from their mistakes while in the school setting, proving to be "better" when they enter/advance in the workplace, I think that demonstrates one aspect of success.
I agree. The rules should be enforced by each faculty member. There are no children attending so, each student should be held accountable. We need to stop treating our "adults" like children and start treating them like the "Adults" we know they can be...
I agree that there are many reasons why students are disruptive and do not follow rules. As Educators in the Health Care field, we must educate and train our students not only in their chosen field but in professional behaviors. We must be role models and expect the best from the students. We must give them standards and expectations then hold the students accountable.
All valid & very true of of this generation. Of course making ourselves available and continuing to listen, will always be beneficial.
All of these responses are compelling. It's a philosophical/psychological question - why particular students push against the grain. I wonder if it is a lack of life skills, coping skills, reasoning skills, that when coupled with arrested development, hard childhoods, entitled childhoods...I mean, the list can go on forever. Who knows what makes another person tick, or what has cultivated and perfected that person's issues, perspective, and therefore, performance? Sadly, most of them (and maybe some of us) have had to learn by mistakes...trial and error. We do know when we recognize someone who struggles to comply. And we can identify the ones who may lack life skills but have the heart to change and grow. We have policies and procedures,and that works fine for the most part, but if we really want to help these students succeed, it would take something more innovative. The teaching/learning of life skills is not something everyone has been fortunate enough to glean from parents, extended family, role models, or mentors. Who is teaching them good coping skills, anger management, time management, prioritization, etc. Not to mention financial education - the importance of one's credit score, managing a checking account, how to pay off bills, how to save money. I don't have statistics, but I'd venture to say that a good portion of us have had to learn by trial and error or going with the flow of social norms, afraid to test the boundaries. I think these institutions of higher education have to ask themselves how far they are willing to go to produce competent, and maybe even, compliant, members of society and the work force, and then device a plan that can accomodate the challenging students, engage them, meet them where they're at and introduce some new ways of living, being, and contributing to society. One colleague mentioned the game jeopardy - that is innovative. I think key questions are: How much do we want to help? What are we willing to do (time, resources, investment, etc.)
The ones who consistently challenge authority may find it very difficult out in the "real world". It is our job to prepare them for the "real world" but up to them whether they choose to learn this lesson. As someone said, these are adults. These students will probably struggle to complete the program and find employment in their choice of medical field. Lots of rules in the medical field!
I believe the reasons for students behavior varies but I agree that in the end the student needs to want to help themselves.
I disagree, we are not investigators. These are adult students that chose to enter an academic program. We should "assist" them, in helping them help themselves.
I think that could go either way. I think some students want an easy road because they are paying for it and others are seeking attention.
It seems that many times students in higher education are struggling with the course content when they had possibly been able to fly right through high school. This causes unrest within their own self and may tend to act out on it.
The sad thing is some students that exhibit such defiant behaviors will have a hard time gaining rewarding employment which is why some students enroll in career schools in the first place. Luckily (and thankfully) some "get it" while they are in school but I would have to say there are some that just will not. It's sad but how much can you do to help them? They ultimately need to help themselves.